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Karen Davis (You’re Kidding, Right?)BANNED from YouTube for 1 week.
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Thanks, Jayne, if you can pls find my me on your list and unsub me from this blog. I cannot find the unsub button here. I like you and think your comments are witty, real, authentic and genuine. Women need you. The YouTuber you wrote of may well have gotten herself banned by publicly calling on her channel for her viewers to contact my sons and my ex-husband, giving enough information that they could locate them, which Joey Brite did, engaging in actionable invasion of privacy. My ex and sons happen to have significant contacts high up in Microsoft and etc. “Neddy” as I call him, is COO of a significant tech company with a worldwide reach. He is very litigious, has the money and the will to take anyone, including YouTube, as well as WordPress, to court.
I am unfortunately not interested in participating in this situation any more. I just now posted important information on my blog about valid studies cited by Lesbians-United.org regarding the true dangers of puberty blockers. Thanks for your voice. I don’t have time anymore to search this page for the unsubscribe button. Please refrain from replying. I am just going to delete any further drama.
Ute Heggen, author of In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
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Oops, I meant to leave a reply to Ute, but posted it in the main thread.. I tried copy-pasting it as a reply to Ute, but it looks like it went to spam or something..
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I’m so sorry to hear this Ute.. It must be awful to be a target of harrassment when you are just recovering from another one.. 😥
*Organized* religion is almost always junk. I say “almost always” instead of “always” not because some organized religions are exempt from the rule, but that there could be short bursts of time, once in a blue moon, when a relatively decent/reasonable guy takes the helm, and things could be slightly or considerably better in comparison to the other times. (And it is always a guy, coz the masses (men) will never listen to women – not for too long to be of any significance at least). But it never lasts long – the common, vulgar male is way too numerous, and they’ll quickly drown out any sense.
I say this as a very spiritual person, who completely relies on God for everything. A relationship with God is very essential, and is healing. Sharing about God (sharing the Truth, not man-made traditions) and building up another’s faith is great. But *organized* religions always seem to build up Babel towers for the glory of man and not the Church of God for the Glory of God. It is always built for the convenience of man – the leader of ANY religion helps with matchmaking, keeps preaching that women ought to get married soon and start getting “blessed with children” soon after that, puts up a pretense of teaching men about their responsibility to protect/provide/etc, while never enforcing them, and most importantly, when DV breaks out in a marriage, comes and “counsels” the victim to stay with her husband, while NEVER effectively admonishing a wifebeater or a lazy/stingy dude who doesn’t give a penny to his wife.
Any organized religion follows this norm. Unfortunately, this includes organized sects of Christianity & Judaism as well.
It is extremely disappointing & disheartening to see radfems fall into this, and lend their hands to Babel tower building – and that too hurting a fellow sister & survivor in the process. I feel for you sis.. (And I wish Karen understands what she has done, turns back from it and makes amends..)
On the other hand, I’m glad to see God blessing the work of your hands. May God Bless you more & more, and give you perfect safety, peace & joy. Take care!
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Well, I am surprised it took this long. I almost never have any of my comments posted on YT or anywhere else for that matter. I got my comments removed from Quora for calling males names and talking about them being pieces of shit—on a PORN thread that was allowed on Quora—there are multiple porn discussions ALLOWED but my critique of enema bag males and their supportive females was NOT allowed. Nothing new under the sun. It’s why I left social media and more people should do the same since they are advertising platforms and echo chambers. I have spinster and parler still connected but I don’t use them. It’s like a psyop for “corrective” disciplining on all these fascist corporate alternate realities. Who needs that bullshit? Prolly better off getting off YT altogether.
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Have you noticed this, wherein when we support each other, as women, it’s come back to the sentiment that our liberation from male domination is a “long game” and we shouldn’t view fighting for our rights as a change that we will get to enjoy, and even our daughters will not be able to enjoy it, but we must fight male domination so some generation of women many years from now will have a little more freedom?
I have recently seen women talk about how “justice” moves slowly, that we shouldn’t expect anything to really change, at least, not quickly because change takes time.
Just what the fuck????
Troons have taken pretty much everything from us in less than a fucking decade. So what happens is that “justice” moves super slowly for us, because it depends on males to view us as human, but “justice” moves really fast for males? Doesn’t it?
We have had millenia of male “fairness” and “justice”. It’s not encouraging for me to hear that some day, long after i am dead, a woman may have one more right than i do now.
Is this how we are to spend our entire lives, then? That as we die, we lie to ourselves, about how women after us will have it a little better, a little easier?
That is NOT the existence that i want and it is NOT the existence that women before me fought for us to have. Telling each other that “justice” moves slowly should encourage our action, but that action should not be to accept our own enslavement. There is no justice, from males, to us, many centuries have born this out. If we want justice, freedom, liberation, we have to take it. But the plan is the same as it ever was, keep birthing males, keep loving males, keep begging males. It’s total bullshit.
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While I don’t like to see a woman banned for her speech, Karen Davis last spring fell under the influence of an adherent of Lubavitch Orthodox Jewish interpretation of Judaism, and at her bidding, called on her viewers to contact my sons, accused me of faking my identity because I converted with Masorti rabbis in 1987, and encouraged Miriam Ben-Shalom and others to harass me with comments on my blog, emails and crank phone calls. I distanced myself from her style, her methods and her tendency to post videos every night for weeks about one person or one group. My sons were contacted by Joey Brite on Davis’ bidding, her call to contact “all of Ute’s male relatives.” I have no idea what this current bit is about because I do not subscribe. However, a group of so-called feminists using my vulnerable, estranged sons to somehow make a point about me to up her viewer numbers was more than regrettable. I had the second suicidal ideation of my life when it all happened, but talked myself down off of the ledge. Two days ago, I interviewed with Stephanie Winn, (Some Kind of Therapist YT channel) who mentioned a book on sex differences she’s been reading, and how women are the most cruel verbally, when in conflict. I tend to agree, based on this experience. The ultra-traditional Jewish women did not achieve their goal–my book is selling well, will be featured at the Chicago Printers’ Row Lit Fest next month, and my blog readership continues to grow. What’s going to bring down the cult of trans is malpractice lawsuits, and I’ve researched a great deal about the medical disasters, posted it, where it’s been read over 31,0000 times in 64 countries across the globe. Calls to action against one of our own is not the way to go, no matter how strongly you feel your God calls you to do so.
Ute Heggen, author,
In the Curated Woods, True Tales from a Grass Widow (iuniverse, 2022)
uteheggengrasswidow.wordpress.com
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I understand from what you wrote here that you had a personal conflict with Karen, and if i am interpreting your words correctly, that you no longer like her and no longer support her.
While i understand that, I will support any woman who is being silenced by male authority, including women whom i do not like or women who do not like me.
I happen to like Karen and appreciate her work, just as i happen to like you, Ute, and appreciate your work. And i don’t have to like anyone in order to support their work, anyway, it just so happens that I pay attention to the women that i like and enjoy, that’s just human nature, i think.
I would ask you to please put your dislike aside for a sister who is being silenced, and i understand that is a big ask and might not be possible. Respectfully, this is not about personal differences or arguments between women, and whether those women are worthy of support. It’s about us, all of us, banding together against male domination when the opportunity presents itself.
No woman deserves to be silenced by male authority for her refusal to submit to male demands, and Karen certainly does not deserve to be silenced, and i will stand with her. Just as i would stand with you, in the same instance. But i understand if you are not comfortable doing the same.
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I hear you, Ute. I was there that night, lurking, saw it all unfold live. I’ll repeat what I’ve already said here on WP — it takes a lot of sustained effort to earn a dedicated page on Kiwi Farms, especially amongst the radfem-adjacent women there. She succeeded.
Any cancellation of womens’ voices is a serious issue (I was also there, active, the day r/GC was banned), and it’s far too common. But I won’t overlook or “forget” intentional cruelty or defaming, especially of trans widows and survivors — they’re my priority, as you know. Just want you to hear this from me again. 🦋
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I’ll just add an “Amen” to that. I will always prioritize the abused over the abuser. Much love to you, Ute.
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And the abused in this case are the most callously disowned, offhandedly critiqued, and conveniently forgotten casualties of the “trans debacle” — even by the “gender critical,” and often by theorists or people annoyed or inconvenienced by genderwoo who have little to no close-range experience. Climbing out of the “trans” wreckage and putting one’s life back together is a different thing entirely. I prioritize survivors with full consciousness and without shame.
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It will always be (tragically) funny to me how the ban wave then was extreme right wing subreddits + any female only subreddits (even ones who didn’t even talk about men). Female only spaces are apparently just as bad as places that glorify commiting crimes & genociiding groups. If it taught me anything it’s how to operate in the background, like the old spinners circles. Pick something boring & laborious, never say no but silently have an agreement to make it extremely boring & “nagging” if an undesiarable comes through. Women aren’t going to get anything done doing it the male way… aka marching, argueing, using courts, using police, or using anything that already exists in the system.
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Right? The banwave was surreal and jaw-droppingly blatant in intent. I’m glad you mention clandestine strategies — they’re powerful. Seeing as Big Tech and its social media offspring are male-dominated creations, the playing field was never level to begin with.
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What? “Women can be the most cruel verbally when in conflict…” What kind of sexist shit is that? You need to interview another therapist, my dear. *If* women say “mean words” more often than males it’s more likely due to being in command of the English language more than males who use their fists and other material violence “most cruelly” when in “conflict.”
When I read people’s writing, I read as a scientist and a Marxist—as in I read something in its entirety and evaluate it on its content and then critique it, which I just did.
I have my own problems with some of Karen’s content but to point out ANOTHER comment in your paragraph—you also called your ADULT sons “vulnerable”? Didn’t they estrange THEMSELVES?
And THEN there is the celebration of an Abrahamic “religion” that is male property centered. Where women and children are property under “God’s LAW”.
No, thanks.
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Her adult sons were children when her ex-husband transitioned. One suffered suicidal ideation as a youth. They’ve been pawns of emotional manipulation by their “trans” father from childhood through parental divorce and into adulthood — this is a common pattern with children of “transitioners.” They were subsequently blindsided by doxing and open harassment via Ute’s critics, estrangement notwithstanding. So, yes, vulnerable. These are the bomb-caters left in our lives when a family member “transes.” The effects don’t go away and there are no tidy endings.
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Well, oddly enough, I can’t reply under the proper column—the one addressing her two adult sons. So I’ll leave it here…Her sons are adults, allegedly, and when you are an adult it is your responsibility to sort through your own shit. I don’t infantalize adults under any circumstances, including if one’s father becomes a tranny. That’s IRRELEVANT as they are ADULTS.
I did notice you skipped my other critical points of her sexist statement.
Now, getting back to her ADULT sons….who are adults, in case I forgot to mention it…children of all variety of abuse, many far worse than this, like children tortured by incest, must address the damage the so-called adults did to them and not use it as a life-long excuse to be assholes. I grew up with two abusive parents, myself, and to use their abuse as a crutch my entire life would be PATHETIC. Infantalizing males is pathetic. If my children disowned me because their father was a tranny—which would have nothing to do with me—then they’d be weak-minded assholes using something another person did to them against me as a form of aggression and I’d want nothing to do with them. That’s called displaced aggression and of course, it’s all OK if little grown-ass men do it, apparently. Not to me.
I don’t know what happened with KD and that too, is irrelevant to MY answer to the sexist answer this woman (whom I also don’t know) decided to leave.
We do have a charming little TIM in the family—a nephew—and several of my female relatives cater to his disgusting POS MALE ass. So does the male’s POS father. The male is 28 years old and I have ZERO sympathy for HIM. He grew up in my sister-in-law’s house and CHOSE to become a tranny with all the support always accorded to a MALE. 28 is a GROWN-ASS man. Should I feel sorry for him because he maybe grew up in a warped household? Absolutely NOT. Adults are responsible for their own behavior. I find coddling two adult males repellent and sexist. The effects of ANY abuse “don’t go away” but it is the adult’s choice to not appropriately deal with their father’s warped fucking behavior and aim for a “tidy ending” as their own goal. Just excuse their ongoing behavior because they had childhood trauma? NO. Plenty of people have childhood trauma and it’s not an excuse for bad behavior as adults.
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I’m only interested here in the material survivorship issues of Ute’s experience (which I know well, knowing her personally — ditto the internal facts of the related doxing and online/offline harassment). Her navigating the consequences of long-term enmeshment is not “infantalizing.” That’s an external opinion.
If you’re interested in material facts and evidence-based trauma psychology for survivors, including incestual abuse (which plays a role in my own experience), I’m your huckleberry. If not, carry on at will.
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I’m so sorry to hear this Ute.. It must be awful to be a target of harassment when you are just recovering from another one.. 😥
*Organized* religion is almost always junk. I say “almost always” instead of “always” not because some organized religions are exempt from the rule, but that there could be short bursts of time, once in a blue moon, when a relatively decent/reasonable guy takes the helm, and things could be slightly or considerably better in comparison to the other times. (And it is always a guy, coz the masses (men) will never listen to women – not for too long to be of any significance at least). But it never lasts long – the common, vulgar male is way too numerous, and they’ll quickly drown out any sense.
I say this as a very spiritual person, who completely relies on God for everything. A relationship with God is very essential, and is healing. Sharing about God (sharing the Truth, not man-made traditions) and building up another’s faith is great. But *organized* religions always seem to build up Babel towers for the glory of man and not the Church of God for the Glory of God. It is always built for the convenience of man – the leader of ANY religion helps with matchmaking, keeps preaching that women ought to get married soon and start getting “blessed with children” soon after that, puts up a pretense of teaching men about their responsibility to protect/provide/etc, while never enforcing them, and most importantly, when DV breaks out in a marriage, comes and “counsels” the victim to stay with her husband, while NEVER effectively admonishing a wifebeater or a lazy/stingy dude who doesn’t give a penny to his wife.
Any organized religion follows this norm. Unfortunately, this includes organized sects of Christianity & Judaism as well.
It is extremely disappointing & disheartening to see radfems fall into this, and lend their hands to Babel tower building – and that too hurting a fellow sister & survivor in the process. I feel for you sis.. (And I wish Karen understands what she has done, turns back from it and makes amends..)
On the other hand, I’m glad to see God blessing the work of your hands. May God Bless you more & more, and give you perfect safety, peace & joy. Take care..
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The cruelest stroke was seeing how quickly “feminist activists” openly weaponized ingroup/outgroup religiosity against her, unprompted. IMO there’s nothing more to say about it — the intent and the method tells me all I need to know.
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